Oct 26 2015

Mystery Foto #43 Solved: The Start of the 1909 Wheatley Sweepstakes


This weekend's Mystery Foto documented the start of a Long Island Race.

Mystery Foto questions:

  • Identify the race cars and the drivers

#31 Marion driven by Adolph Monsen. Finished 3rd completing 8 laps.

#32 Marmon driven by Ray Harroun. Finished 1st completing all 15 laps.

Partially hidden, likely #33 Coumbia driven by R.W. Wilcox. Finished 2nd completing 12 laps or #33 Moon driven by Phillip Wells.

  • Identify the race in which these drivers were competing

1909 Wheatley Sweepstakes which ran simultaneously with the 1909 Vanderbilt Cup Race.

  • What was the greatest acomplishment among these drivers?

Ray Harroun won the 1911 Indy 500 Race.

  • Identify one or more of the officials

The official on the left of the #32 Marmon was referee William K. Vanderbilt, Jr. A.R. Pardington may to the left of the #31 Marion. Fred Wagner, the starter, is likely also in the photo.

Congrats to Ted (on a streak!), Frank Femenias, Ariejan Bos, Greg O. and Art Kleiner (Ssee Kleiner's Korner) for identifying the race cars for the 1909 Wheatley Sweepstakes. Kudos to Ariejan Bos and Art Kleiner for identifying Willie K's back!

Enjoy,

 

Howard Kroplick


Close-Ups

#31 Marion

#32 Marmon

#33 Columbia

#34 Moon


Kleiner's Korner (Submitted by Art Kleiner)

Indianapolis Star, November 7, 1909

Motor Age, 1909

Motor World, 1909

The New York Times, January 20, 1968

The Bellman, November 27, 1909




Comments

Oct 22 2015 Ted 11:10 PM

This is another one I might get,that might be three in a row,I’m on the roll,it’s about time,I have more time to research now.

Oct 24 2015 Ted 1:12 AM

Have to do this now,no time the rest of the weekend.This is my answers. Car #32 driven by Ray Harroun a 1909 Marmon and the #31 driven by Louis Disbrow. I think they were competing in the Wheatley Hills Sweepsteaks and #32 won the race.

Oct 25 2015 frank femenias 12:11 AM

This could be the Oct 30, 1909 Wheatley Hills Sweepstakes in Nassau County that had but four racers (#31, 32, 33, 34), with the winning #32 Marmon (Harroun/Heinemann) and 3rd place #31 Marion (Monsen/Hollenbaeck Jr.). Ray Harroun was the only driver to complete all 15 laps of 189.6 miles, averaging 59.7mph, and would later win the first Indy 500 (1911) in the Marmon Wasp, defeating the Black Beast. 100 years after that, the Black Beast (Fittipaldi/Kroplick) would get its revenge at Indy. That may be Willie K with his back turned.

Oct 25 2015 Ariejan Bos 11:44 AM

This photo shows the start of the Wheatley Hill Sweepstakes of 1909 with #32 the Marmon of Ray Harroun and with #31 the Marion of Adolph Monsen. This race for stock cars with engines from 231 to 300 cubic inches was run concurrently with the 1909 Vanderbilt Cup and was won by Harroun. Monsen retired after the 2nd round, when his car caught fire.
Ray Harroun would be the winner of course of the first official 500 Miles at the Indianapolis Speedway in 1911.
The name of Monsen caused some confusion with me, as the names of Monsen, Monson and Munson were used in different recent as well as contemporaneous reports. E.g. The Horseless Age of 1909 uses the name Munson in their race report, whereas Motor Age uses Monsen, evidently for the same driver. Monsen however seems to be most widely used, so I guess that must be the correct spelling.
On the left we see William Vanderbilt with his back turned towards us, on the left side of the car probably starter Fred Wagner.

Oct 25 2015 Greg O. 2:23 PM

-Identify the race cars and the drivers
#32 Marmon driven by Ray Harroun. Finished 1st completing all 15 laps.
#31 Marion driven by A. Monsen. Finished 3rd completing 8 laps.

-Identify the race in which these drivers were competing
1909 Wheatley Hills Sweepstakes

-What was the greatest acomplishment among these drivers?
Ray Harroun was the winner of the first Indy 500 Race driving a Marmon to victory in 1911.

-Identify one or more of the officials
The person looking down at the ground looks to be A.R. Pardington.

Oct 26 2015 Chuck Rudy 1:31 PM

It appears to be the S/F line area of the 1910 Vanderbilt Cup Race.

The #31 should be Disbrow in a National, starting 29th and Belcher in the #32 in a Knox starting 30th.

As far as accomplishments, Disbrow in 1911 won the last Philadelphia Fairmount Park race also in a National and if I recall reworked the Pope-Hartford into the Pope Hummer…..then left.

Belcher had the less stellar career of the two, but both competed in the 1911 Indy 500.

Officials…...I’m guessing that’s Willie K at the LF tire of the #32.

Oct 26 2015 Art Kleiner 1:43 PM

Identify the race cars and the drivers
#32 - Marmon driven by Ray Harroun
#31 - Marion driven by A. Monson
#34 (possibly the one behind #32 by looking at another photo found elsewhere) - Moon driven by Phillip Wells
#33 - (possibly the one behind #31 as only 4 cars entered the race) - Columbia driven by W.R. Wilcox

Identify the race in which these drivers were competing
1909 Wheatley Hills Sweepstake

What was the greatest accomplishment among these drivers?
The winner of the Wheatley Hills Sweepstake, Ray Harroun, also was the first Indy 500 winner two years later in 1911.

Identify one or more of the officials
William Vanderbilt Jr. and possibly one or more of these other 1909 race officials :
Elbert H. Gary, Colgate Hoyt, Harry Paine Whitney, William P. Hamilton, Henry Sanderson, Mortimer Shiff, H. Hollins, Dave Morris and Henry Anderson.

Oct 27 2015 Ted 12:05 AM

Whowee,who me?,I hope I can keep it up

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